Discussing politics and religion

My M/C club use to go to Tijuana every year to raise money for the wives and kids of assassinated police officers. In the 5 years I did this, we lost about 40 cops, the city mayor, and another elected official who use to party with us. It seemed they were killed for supporting our function, so we stopped going.

The majority of immigrants are not from Mexico. They are from central America. Guatemala executed an estimated 100,000 Mayans just for being Mayan. They are the native people of Guatemala.

If you are referring to the wave of 2000 guatemalians, that's just a drop in the bucket from the ILLEGAL ALIENS jumping the border from Mexico.

Even the government statistics show that most are not Mexicans.

Not beating a dead horse, but the local Mexicans are claiming to be residents from other neighboring countries as a ploy to be allowed into this country easier. We dealt with this on a daily basis believing we would not contact ICE for an Illegal from Venezuela, Honduras, and other similar countries. On a similar topic, one night, I arrested Juan Pablo Gutierrez (from Mexico) for drunk driving. He was released on a citation. The very next night, I caught his drunk driving after he plowed into a parked car. On this night, he changed his name to Juan Gutierrez Pablo (from Honduras), hoping we would not verify his identity. Unfortunately, fingerprints don't lie.

Highup, the Russia timeline used to be hosted on another website but for some reason they moved it to the one called investigating Russia. But point taken on the url seeming more biased. IMO it is obvious that Russia interfered--there are enough indictments and evidence to prove it-- but the question is, how complicit was Trump & his campaign? Also, when I weigh who to believe is telling the truth:
1. A draft dodging con artist who is known to lie excessively (and has been caught in lies) that refuses to pay contractors who did work for him & has had links to the mob going back decades
OR
2. An awarded veteran with exemplary service history who served as a prosecutor and director of the FBI for many years & who took down a few crime families

I will say that at least when my father was in INS (before it got reorganized) the asylum vetting process was very thorough. The mention of people from Guatemala reminded me of an anti-INS movie about two teenagers from Guatemala who tried to enter the country under the pretense of being Mexican. It was this tragic true story where they ended up being rejected & sent to Mexico where they died. Thing is, if they had told the truth about being from Guatemala, they would have qualified for asylum. There are legal ways for people to enter the country.

I'll have to see if I still get the Border Patrol magazines and see what the latest news is. They had more statistics and such.

Time to hit the store and see if Mom's prescriptions are ready.

The biggest nail manufacturer In the US, here in Missouri, just announced they layed off 60 people because of the tariffs. The owner, a Trump supporter, says they will lay off another 200 next month and the final 240 before Labor day and close the plant unless the tariffs are lifted.

Can't wait till Muller hangs him and his family !! Everything he says is a freaking lie .. We actually do good on trade especially with Canada ..

He was importing the steel wire, used to make nails, because no one in the US makes it. The last one, Union Wire Rope in Kansas City, closed years ago. Now the Chinese nails will be the only ones available.

Harley is moving a plant to Europe to avoid the tariffs .Hundreds of jobs in Pa , and SC will be lost ..

Our main concern now should be to make sure he doesn't appoint a new Supreme Justice Flunky ..

He will do irreparable damage to our lives , and country ..

Nick said:

Harley is moving a plant to Europe to avoid the tariffs .Hundreds of jobs in Pa , and SC will be lost ..

Our main concern now should be to make sure he doesn't appoint a new Supreme Justice Flunky ..

He will do irreparable damage to our lives , and country ..

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Harley started discussing the move in 2015 and announced in January of this year they were planning to build a plant in Europe, long before Trump announced the tarriffs.

Car parts are expected to go up 25% at least.

highup said:

Harley started discussing the move in 2015 and announced in January of this year they were planning to build a plant in Europe, long before Trump announced the tarriffs.

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Cus they knew this was coming.

A license is what you get when the government steals your rights and then sells them back to you.

Ernesto said:

Cus they knew this was coming.

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Harley like every other company puts the welfare of stockholders over workers.
How to not pay import duties to the UK? ...move a factory there and shut down one here.
It's good business sense even tho we don't like it. A buck is a buck. I wish a company that got it's start and became a worldwide reputation had more loyalty to it's employees.
Weyerhauser had a large mill here for decades up till the 80's, then shut down They purchased the local paper mill and 10 years later did a 14 million dollar addition with new offices and machine shop. My brother and I worked there for a month installing carpet on the office floors an walls.
5, 6, or 7 years later, the shut the mill down and built a new mill in China. They said this mill was operating at a loss. ( a loss to them meant the mill was making 15% profits instead of 17%) They call that a loss. They sold most of the cardboard to China, so it made sense I suppose to open a mill over there. It sucks because that was one of the highest paying paper mills in the country........ that in turn hurts businesses that rely on their operation real estate and peoples lives. It's hard for a small community to take a hit like that. I'm sure they had a couple hundred employees. Even 20 years ago, I doubt a starting employee made less than $35,000 per year. They had 100% medial and all the toppings. Matching 401K's, rotating 10 or 12 day shifts gave a guy 4 or 5 days off in a row...... a long enough weekend to actually do something.
Like I said, I wish US companies had more loyalty to it's employees and the communities that made them who they are.

I hate when politicians get involved in business. When Carter was president, I worked in a combine factory (did flooring on weekends). 1800 of us making $25-30,000 a year. Farmers could borrow money for farm equipment at low interest (combines were $200,000). Reagan cancelled the loan program right after he was elected. Within 2 years the factory was closed and 1800 were added to the unemployed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/business/harley-davidson-thailand-factory-manufacturing.html

"Motorcycles made in the new factory — plans for which had not been previously disclosed — will be sold in Asia, not the United States, which its domestic plants will continue to serve, Harley-Davidson said."
(meaning they initially blamed Trumps import tax plan, then had to confess)

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Still, unions representing its workers in the United States are not pleased.

“Why couldn’t we build them in the U.S. and export them?” asked Leo W. Gerard, the international president of the United Steelworkers, which represents Harley-Davidson workers at plants in Wisconsin and Missouri. He expressed concern that the company could be entering a “race to the bottom” in pursuit of lower labor costs."

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Harley-Davidson argues that steep trade barriers in a high-growth market, not a desire to cut American jobs, drove the move. Southeast Asia offers rapid development and increasingly affluent spenders, but many countries in the region levy high tariffs on imported goods that make its motorcycles prohibitively expensive, the company says.

“Building bikes in the U.S. and exporting them does not get us the benefits that we’re talking about when it comes to the tariff barriers,” said Mr. McAllister, a 22-year veteran of the company."

"Harley says the new Thailand plant will help it serve more Asian riders like Akaravech Chotinaruemol, a retired financial analyst in Bangkok who collects Harleys and enjoys taking them on winding road trips in Thailand’s rural and mountainous north. For him, nothing else compares to the sound and sensation of riding a Harley.

“I only ride Harley-Davidson,” he said, “and nothing else.”

“It’s a hobby to me, a toy, holiday entertainment,” he added. “And it’s also like a traveling companion.”
Mr. Akaravech’s most expensive Harley, a custom 2013 Road Glide, cost roughly $60,000, thanks in part to Thailand’s high tariffs. In the United States, the same model retails for just over half that amount. (The Thailand plant would assemble lower-cost motorcycles.)"

It is going to get worst before it gets better ..