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No accounting for reloading. Rate of fire is fun and all but those numbers are meant to describe laying down suppressive fire. 3 round burst is more effective for marksmanship purposes. I carried an m249. Had spare barrels to compensate for overheating. 200rnd belt fed. Rate of fire is great for fear mongering or pushing an agenda, just like mag capacity. Nobody deserves to lose a loved one like we've seen. At some point people will focus on why, not how but that doesn't pander as well. We are legalizing drugs at an alarming rate, promote alcohol in most aspects of American life, get our entertainment from glorifying violence, and have allowed social media to destroy our society. Treating the symptoms is not a cure.
 

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No accounting for reloading. Rate of fire is fun and all but those numbers are meant to describe laying down suppressive fire. 3 round burst is more effective for marksmanship purposes. I carried an m249. Had spare barrels to compensate for overheating. 200rnd belt fed. Rate of fire is great for fear mongering or pushing an agenda, just like mag capacity. Nobody deserves to lose a loved one like we've seen. At some point people will focus on why, not how but that doesn't pander as well. We are legalizing drugs at an alarming rate, promote alcohol in most aspects of American life, get our entertainment from glorifying violence, and have allowed social media to destroy our society. Treating the symptoms is not a cure.
Two parent families would fix 90% of the problem..
 

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Nobody deserves to lose a loved one like we've seen.

, get our entertainment from glorifying violence
Everyone agrees with those statements, so now the question is what are we willing to do about it ? For me, this question first needs a reality check about our best options. Can we really make an impact by promoting two parent homes, less violent content on television and censorship on hateful speech in social media ? My answer to that question is no, because no matter how wonderful we make society through implementing those strategies
 

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, there will always be evil and we need a strategy to minimize weapons in their hands. I’m not a gun owner so I’m not going to give my opinion. Imho only gun enthusiasts can fix this. So if you got them, be honest and describe how you want gun purchases done differently in your State.
 

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Federal background checks, licensing similar to CCW, 30 day waiting periods, a registry that can't be leveraged against law abiding citizens, and maybe some sort of mental health evaluation but that's a dangerous one. The problem is, nobody trust the government to do the right thing. Pro gun folks know as soon as they give something, the other side will use that to take more. I own many firearms. Every one of them is locked up unless it's on me. As a veteran, I enjoy taking out my ar15 once a year or showing new shooters the ropes. I would be okay with more friction to aquire firearms, even paying double what they cost now, if I knew the cost was helping the problem. Just want a path to legal ownership. I don't know how, but accountability for peoples actions needs to play a part. We are too detached from reality amd the value of human life is plummeting.
 

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Federal background checks, licensing similar to CCW, 30 day waiting periods, a registry that can't be leveraged against law abiding citizens, and maybe some sort of mental health evaluation but that's a dangerous one. The problem is, nobody trust the government to do the right thing. Pro gun folks know as soon as they give something, the other side will use that to take more. I own many firearms. Every one of them is locked up unless it's on me. As a veteran, I enjoy taking out my ar15 once a year or showing new shooters the ropes. I would be okay with more friction to aquire firearms, even paying double what they cost now, if I knew the cost was helping the problem. Just want a path to legal ownership. I don't know how, but accountability for peoples actions needs to play a part. We are too detached from reality amd the value of human life is plummeting.
There is already a federal background check. BGC on private sales could not be enforced. Registration would lead to confiscation. Too many people have been killed during a waiting period. Red flag laws have been abused.
Start enforcing the current laws. Over 10,000 have lied on the BG check, a felony. Less than .01% get prosecuted. Start with Hunter Biden, he admitted lying on it and yet nothing will be done. There are over 20,000 gun laws on the books and yet suddenly criminals will obey a new one?
The numbers of children dying is greatly inflated. The CDC lists up to age 25 as children so they can include gang killings as child deaths. Close to 90% of all gun homicides are gang related. Do you really think that a new law will stop those?
Doubling the price would just mean that poor people could not protect themselves. Many people in my area hunt to eat.
I have protected myself twice by just showing that I have a gun.
The Keck study, done by Obama, showed there are between 500,000 and 3 million defensive gun uses yearly.
I carry daily and I have a CCW.
 

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How many of these crazy mass shooters had some sort of mental issues known to parents, teachers, co workers and law enforcement prior to their dastardly deeds?
....most?
The FBI has, I believe, 3 days to respond to a request for a background check. If they fail to get it done, the purchase is OK'd.
In this recent shooting, was the perp an example of a person that would have been denied if they had gotten the check done in time?
I'm thinking so.
 

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How many of these crazy mass shooters had some sort of mental issues known to parents, teachers, co workers and law enforcement prior to their dastardly deeds?
....most?
The FBI has, I believe, 3 days to respond to a request for a background check. If they fail to get it done, the purchase is OK'd.
In this recent shooting, was the perp an example of a person that would have been denied if they had gotten the check done in time?
I'm thinking so.
The three day rule was included to keep a president from using an executive order to cut off funding for BG checks and stopping gun sales. Over 10,000 have been caught lying on the BG check. Prosecution rate is .01%.
 

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I say forget about the government, they lost there chance a long time ago. I believe a New Hampshire gun shop owner started an association that other States picked up , Texas was not on the list, I believe. They use a common sense approach with each new gun purchaser. This could have prevented his purchase and possibly got mental health / the law involved. Forget about back ground checks, a few strategicly asked questions and body language could be all that’s needed. Nothing is ever full proof, but if all gun shops would qualify each customer based on ‘ The Market Analysis ‘ maybe defective customer ownership would decrease. PS - why not required a membership to a gun club also. Golf country clubs require a referral from existing members to keep Rodney Dangerfield out ......Gun shops simply show products then provide the phone number of the local gun clubs. Customer gets qualified by the shops by passing monitored safety and proficiency test as well as Temperment evaluation. Hot heads should not play with guns. Then have yearly testing for each type of firearm. Start with 22 and move up from there, If they fail one type of gun, they can’t purchase it. Sorry ! I said I was not going to give any advise. Question: if your gun shop owner hit you up tomorrow with this plan, would you agree or disagree and as a back up, would you volunteer to mentor new gun owners at your club. And while I’m at it, how about all assault ( semi or full ) must stay at the club, unless the Russians show up and Patric Swazy and the wolverines are needed. This problem as well as all the rest will only be minimized at the local level, like by each township or borough.
 

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A man in Florida told how he was sitting at his kitchen table cleaning his gun. As he walked from there to his gun safe, a nosy neighbor looked in his window and saw him. She called the police claiming he was dangerous under the "red flag" law. The police took all of his guns. He had to go to court and prove he was not dangerous. It took months and several thousand in legal fees. Under those laws you are considered guilty until you can prove you are innocent.
Just like civil forfeiture. On trips I usually carry a few hundred in cash. If I were to get stopped and searched, the police can just take it. Then I would have to go to court and prove where I got the money. The police get a percentage of the money.
 

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I say forget about the government, they lost there chance a long time ago. I believe a New Hampshire gun shop owner started an association that other States picked up , Texas was not on the list, I believe. They use a common sense approach with each new gun purchaser. This could have prevented his purchase and possibly got mental health / the law involved. Forget about back ground checks, a few strategicly asked questions and body language could be all that’s needed. Nothing is ever full proof, but if all gun shops would qualify each customer based on ‘ The Market Analysis ‘ maybe defective customer ownership would decrease. PS - why not required a membership to a gun club also. Golf country clubs require a referral from existing members to keep Rodney Dangerfield out ......Gun shops simply show products then provide the phone number of the local gun clubs. Customer gets qualified by the shops by passing monitored safety and proficiency test as well as Temperment evaluation. Hot heads should not play with guns. Then have yearly testing for each type of firearm. Start with 22 and move up from there, If they fail one type of gun, they can’t purchase it. Sorry ! I said I was not going to give any advise. Question: if your gun shop owner hit you up tomorrow with this plan, would you agree or disagree and as a back up, would you volunteer to mentor new gun owners at your club. And while I’m at it, how about all assault ( semi or full ) must stay at the club, unless the Russians show up and Patric Swazy and the wolverines are needed. This problem as well as all the rest will only be minimized at the local level, like by each township or borough.
The thoughts and the reasoning are good but how many percent of communities have a gun range?
Who defines, and what is the definition of a hot head?
Those kind of things make it an impossible task.
The red flag idea is flawed also.
If you are my neighbor, and we lived well outside the city limits, and we didn't like each other very much...... How about I mentioned to the authorities I have this crazy neighbor that shoots his gun erratically and I'm concerned about my safety.
You we're shooting your gun in your backyard at a target and doing so in a safe manner on your 10 acre piece of property.
I don't like you so I called the authorities and turned you in under some sort of red flag situation.
They come to your house and as a precaution take all of your weapons and ammunition and maybe don't get them back for a year or two or three, or ever.
The red flag idea wouldn't bother me as much if the accuser had some skin in the game.
Let's say that it is determined that the accuser did so falsely. How about we fine the accuser $200,000 for a false accusation?
If we included that penalty then maybe the red flag law might work.
A red flag law as it's been suggested and possibly used now doesn't have any penalties against the accuser if their claim is proven wrong.
The problem in society is there are crazy people. If they're that whacked out of their gourd, they will use knives, they will use propane tanks, they will use cars.
What would happen if somebody ran into a school with a case of Coke bottles full of gasoline, running down the hallway throwing and breaking them against the walls as he ran.
Once he got to the door he could toss in a match and he would pretty much blow up the whole building. Do we outlaw Coke bottles or gasoline?
We need to take into account how many children were brought up with guns in the house and were taught how to use them safely.
.....oh my goodness, here's one now 😱
 

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This is what the media will NEVER show. People enjoying guns. Families enjoying time together shooting. No different than racing cars, riding horses, motocross, jogging, rock collecting.
The media has a mission to portray guns as evil weapons of war.
They are fun. The government wants nothing more than to ban fun.
 

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Red flag laws are a guilty till proven innocent approach. Dont suppose PTSD would be on that list. Mental health is the problem. How many parents take the time to explain things like video games and social media and the real world? I am not religious but at least the churches teach compassion for your fellow man. Some family members of mine work at a school that focuses on at risk students. I guarantee there are reaching some kids that could eventually turn to acts of violence. Just not enough resources to go around.
 

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A hundred and fifteen years ago, in 1907...our great grandparents were first able to buy the rifle pictured. The semi-auto Winchester Model 1907.
This is a gun they could buy from a Sears catalogue and have delivered via US Post. It was/ is a semi-automatic, high powered centerfire rifle, with detachable, high capacity magazine.
About 400,000 semi-automatic rifles were produced before WW2. Civilians had hundreds of thousands of these for 40 years, while US soldiers were still being issued old fashioned bolt action rifles.
The 1907 fired just as fast as an AR15 or AK47 and the bullet (.351 Winchester) was actually larger than those fired by the more modern looking weapons..
The ONLY functional difference between the 1907 and a controversial and much feared AR15 is the modern black plastic stock.
The semi auto, so-called "assault rifle" is 110 years old. It isnt new in any way.
The semi auto rifle was not a weapon of war. The government MADE IT a weapon of war 40 years after civilians had them.
The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3 generations of adults owned and used them responsibly and no one ever even noticed.
Want to fix the horror of mass shootings? Fix the things that have changed for the worse in the last 50 years. Family Values, Prayer from Schools, Ten Commandments from court houses, Spanking Kids, Morals, What is socially acceptable, violent video games, Confusion on Genders, Left Wing Liberalism, Socialism, ect.
Cause the rifle technology in question was here long before this insanity.
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