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Heres the runner material for some stairs I'm about to start. The total thickness is about 1/4".
Two flights and a landing. The stairs will be upholstered.
The landing I figured to stretch in wall to wall...... They wanted wall to wall on the landing.
The stairs are done as runners, the edges have been serged.
Here's the material.
I requested the runners to each be one piece each.
I didn't know the material was 15' wide 😱
....just sayin', there's gonna be enough. 😁
 

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My question pertains to padding. We have 32 oz felt at the warehouse. That might work for the landing. I do have some short pin tack strip.
Next issue is the stairs.
Am I better off with no pad, and just stapling it. It's thin stuff. Or maybe use a thin, non skid material like rug-hold, the type that keeps rugs on carpet from shifting around, then use staples..... or hand tacking.
I can't imagine the price of the runner material that was ordered, and including the serging. Boggle my mind.
 
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Is that Stanton’s goods? That last picture looks like “Stonehedge”. I remember that stuff from 30 years ago. Installed a ton of it. Even with the D pin strip the pins are going to shine through. This is gonna sound like hack work but on the steps I always used a heavy felt padding leaving a 1/4” space where step meets riser. Stapled carpet under the nose, stretched to the crotch and stapled it in. If you can find the shorter 3/8th” staples that would help. Then chisel it in to get a nice crisp line and bury the staples. No tack strip. Using no padding cheapens the effect IMHO. Use caution to get it straight the first time because there’s no pulling it back to readjust. In the flat areas where strip is required, I would always use a hammer and the flat side of my stair tool to flatten out the pins after the installation was complete and all tucked in. I’d use latex in all the gullies. If the baseboard can be installed after all the better. Again use caution, this is a very permanent installation. A restretch would be a mess. Be careful to keep equal tension throughout or those lines are gonna look crooked and wavy…. Have fun, I don’t miss that stuff a bit!
 

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Yes, it's Stanton. I can't tell from the construction of his design to have much padding under it. The only thing they have at the store is 32oz. I checked today and the place that I got those shorter staples from was out of them.
I don't know why I didn't think of calling Stanton and ask for their recommendations on the pad type or whether to use pad on the stairs. I've never installed it but I assume with the flat weave type carpets you don't put a pad under them .....or do you?
This material has been at the warehouse for a month and a half and I didn't realize how different the construction of this material is.
So here's the holiday and I was going to work over the weekend and I'm not sure how to proceed. This material is way, way too expensive for me to screw up.
 

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Sy Cohen, the guy who started Stanton, began his career in retail before he started importing. He did both for a while. I’m sure he’s long retired by now. His son took over the retail division here on Long Island in the 90s. He of course pushed his own product in his retail division. I installed for him back in the 80s… We installed a lot of it. We always used pad. A 32oz synthetic is what we used. Commercial pad, definitely nothing too soft.
Doesn’t seam well. Cross seams are out of the question. Length seam take some extra time to seal properly. It came in 13’ 2” widths back then.

I can’t believe they’re still making that stuff. Installed a lot of it in the mansions on the north shore. It was always very popular with interior decorators. Not so much with the installers.

If you have to cut the runner (try not to) and restart it can be done under the nose (butt the nose to the riser) plenty of sealer on the cross cut edges. Bring contact cement. If you own a hand gun that shoots tiny narrow staples (Duofast stopped making them a while ago) that might come in handy.
 
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I just have the standard Duo fast gun. You're saying tack everything and use 32 oz pad even on the steps? If a guy needed to shorten the pins further, a layer of duct tape or two works. On standard tack strip I've even used that heavy black gorilla tape as a pin 'shortener'. I'm having a hard time imagining tacking the landing. See if it ever develops a tiny pucker you'd be screwed.
.....oh wait, I'd be screwed 😁
There's no price tag on the labor here. I could even use my Anchorite tool and use appropriately sized wire nails instead of those 9/16 staples.
Because of its construction, I can't tell if this material has any stretch in width or length. It's construction isn't like any standard woven carpet I've seen or installed. Only thing I like about it is it's pliable.
 
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No No .... Tack strip on all the flat work... And yes, Pad on the steps, we used to use 28oz. or 32 oz., just no tack strip on the steps!

The tape or something of the like on the tackless is a good plan.
 
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No No .... Tack strip on all the flat work... And yes, Pad on the steps, we used to use 28oz.vor 32 oz., just no tack strip on the steps!
Well, I got a lot of 9/16 staples. 🫣
I'm stopping in town anyway, but that's probably a waste of time.
I did call Stanton this morning and left a message for Ray. I think I talked with him once about another carpet. Guessin' Turkey eve is a day off.
 

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