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Like I said, look at all the european countries that are 90 percent or more alternative energy. It's naysayers like you who hold us hostage to fossil fuels.
 
Ernesto said:
Like I said, look at all the european countries that are 90 percent or more alternative energy. It's naysayers like you who hold us hostage to fossil fuels.
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We're the largest producer of wind power in the world, right? ...saying we aren't doing out part?
It's easy to be "efficient" if you have 300 degree water 100 feet under your country. You can produce paper instead of steel if you want a low "carbon footprint"
There's a reality factor involved here. If the US became 50% eco friendy, and derived 50% of our energy from wind and solar power, it would make an itty bitty, virtually invisible dent in the perceived global warming issue.
Here in the mean old USA we are incredibly efficient at production and vehicle emissions. We have to compete so we have to be efficient. People around the globe use products that we make.......... It takes fuel to produce those things...... we make stuff, we produce stuff, so therefor we will obviously have a larger carbon footprint.

Those "efficient countries use a lot of hydro power......... just like here in Oregon. We've been tearing out old hydro plants for decades because the destroy fish runs. Fish can't swim up a 25, 50 or a 200 foot tall dam.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/10/which-countries-are-least-dependent-on-fossil-fuels/

Here's the top non fossil fuel countries............ Tajikstan is #2..............
This data just makes you want to hop on a plane, eh?
Tajikistan is a poor, mountainous country with an economy dominated by minerals extraction, metals processing, agriculture, and reliance on remittances from citizens working abroad. The 1992-97 civil war severely damaged an already weak economic infrastructure and caused a sharp decline in industrial and agricultural production. Today, Tajikistan has one of the lowest per capita GDPs among the 15 former Soviet republics. Less than 7% of the land area is arable and cotton is the most important crop. Tajikistan imports approximately 70% of its food. Mineral resources include silver, gold, uranium, antimony, and tungsten. Industry consists mainly of small obsolete factories in food processing and light industry, substantial hydropower facilities, and a large aluminum plant - currently operating well below its capacity.
Because of a lack of employment opportunities in Tajikistan, more than one million Tajik citizens work abroad - roughly 90% in Russia - supporting families back home through remittances that in 2014 were equivalent to nearly 50% of GDP. Some experts estimate the value of narcotics transiting Tajikistan is equivalent to 30-50% of GDP.
Since the end of the civil war, the country has pursued half-hearted reforms and privatizations in the economic sphere, but the poor business climate remains a hurdle to attracting foreign investment. Tajikistan has sought to develop its substantial hydroelectricity potential through partnership with Russian and Iranian investors, and is pursuing completion of the Roghun dam - which, if built according to plan, would be the tallest dam in the world. However, the project is a sensitive issue for downstream neighbors and faces large financing shortfalls. In 2016, Tajikistan officially contracted with Italian firm Salini Impregilo to construct the dam over a 13 year period for $3.9 billion.
Recent slowdowns in the Russian and Chinese economies, low commodity prices, and currency fluctuations are hampering economic growth in Tajikistan. By some estimates, the dollar value of remittances from Russia to Tajikistan dropped by more than 65% in 2015. The government faces challenges financing the public debt, which is equivalent to 35% of GDP, and the National Bank of Tajikistan has aggressively spent its reserves to bolster the weakening somoni, leaving little space for fiscal or monetary measures to counter any additional economic shocks.
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$25.81 billion (2016 est.)
$24.35 billion (2015 est.)
$22.97 billion (2014 est.)
note: data are in 2016 dollars
country comparison to the world: 138
GDP (official exchange rate):
$6.612 billion (2016 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
6% (2016 est.)
6% (2015 est.)
6.7% (2014 est.)
country comparison to the world: 20
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$3,000 (2016 est.)
$2,900 (2015 est.)
$2,800 (2014 est.)
note: data are in 2016 dollars
Kyrgyzstan rates #10..........
Kyrgyzstan is a landlocked, mountainous, lower middle income country with an economy dominated by minerals extraction, agriculture, and reliance on remittances from citizens working abroad. Cotton, wool, and meat are the main agricultural products, although only cotton is exported in any quantity. Other exports include gold, mercury, uranium, natural gas, and - in some years - electricity. The country has sought to attract foreign investment to expand its export base, including construction of hydroelectric dams, but a difficult investment climate and an ongoing legal battle with a Canadian firm over the joint ownership structure of the nation’s largest gold mine deter potential investors. Remittances from Kyrgyz migrant workers, predominantly in Russia and Kazakhstan, are equivalent to over one-quarter of Kyrgyzstan’s GDP.
Following independence, Kyrgyzstan rapidly implemented market reforms, such as improving the regulatory system and instituting land reform. In 1998, Kyrgyzstan was the first Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) country to be accepted into the World Trade Organization. The government has privatized much of its ownership shares in public enterprises. Despite these reforms, the country suffered a severe drop in production in the early 1990s and has again faced slow growth in recent years as the global financial crisis, declining oil prices, and regional economic headwinds have damaged economies across Central Asia. The Kyrgyz government remains dependent on foreign donor support to finance its annual budget deficit of approximately 4-5% of GDP.
Kyrgyz leaders hope the country’s August 2015 accession to the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) will bolster trade and investment, but slowing economies in Russia and China and low commodity prices continue to hamper economic growth. While joining the EAEU has increased Kyrgyz labor mobility within member states, large scale trade and investment pledged by Kyrgyz leaders has been slow in developing since accession. Kyrgyz entrepreneurs and politicians alike often contend that non-tariff measures imposed by other EAEU member states, particularly Kazakhstan, are negatively impacting sectors of the Kyrgyz economy that enjoy a comparative advantage, such as meat and dairy production. Since acceding to the EAEU, the Kyrgyz Republic has continued harmonizing its laws and regulations to conform to Union standards, though many local entrepreneurs have criticized this process as disjointed and incomplete. The keys to future growth include progress in fighting corruption, improving administrative transparency, restructuring and diversifying domestic industries, and attracting foreign aid and investment.
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$21.01 billion (2016 est.)
$20.55 billion (2015 est.)
$19.87 billion (2014 est.)
note: data are in 2016 dollars
country comparison to the world: 144
GDP (official exchange rate):
$5.794 billion (2016 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
2.2% (2016 est.)
3.5% (2015 est.)
4% (2014 est.)
country comparison to the world: 126
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$3,500 (2016 est.)
$3,400 (2015 est.)
$3,400 (2014 est.)
note: data are in 2016 dollars
...........they don't produce anything so they don't rank as nasty as we do............... see how this works?
We're better off putting better insulation and more efficient windows on our homes than building wind farms and solar. In most parts of the country anyway. In AZ, Texas and NM I can see solar working out to a decent degree because it's used for air conditioning. Nothing wrong with renewable if it pencils out.
 
Ernesto said:
http://www.natcoresolar.com/news/na...ops-solar-cell-that-eliminates-use-of-silver/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/09/new-energy-europe-renewable-sources-2016

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/19/10-e...re-going-big-on-renewable-energy.html#slide=1

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/07/solar-power-growth-worldwide-us-china-uk-europe

http://news.energysage.com/new-solar-panels-whats-coming-market-2017/
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You do realize Natocore sells the product they are bragging about, and this is a press release intended to bolster their revenues.
At the bottom is a disclaimer:
Statements in this press release other than purely historical factual information, including statements relating to revenues or profits, or Natcore’s future plans and objectives, or expected sales, cash flows, and capital expenditures constitute forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are based on numerous assumptions and are subject to all of the risks and uncertainties inherent in Natcore’s business, including risks inherent in the technology history. There can be no assurance that such forward-looking statements will prove to be accurate, as actual results and future events could differ materially from those anticipated in such statements. Accordingly, readers should not place undue reliance on such statements.
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That said, I hope they have discovered a gem in cell technology.

And like Rusty said about The Guardian, CNBC isn't any better.
Haven't read either yet, but I will.
Problem overall is the masses of the world are poor. Unless that huge number of poor people in the world uses high tech power, nothing we do will make a dent. Ya can't have only a handful of large goods producing countries go solar and allow the rest of the world burn cow dung and sticks for fuel. It's all or nothing. (and that will quite obviously never happen)
That said, someone still needs to prove without a doubt that we are the main cause of global warming ( I mean "climate change" )
I can't believe that some eco-idiot-mathmaticians actually believe that they can accurately calculate that reducing "X" number of tons of carbon will reduce the earths temperature 2.8 degrees in a 75 year period.
Our weathermen can't very often predict the weather 24 hours from now.
.............and some people are predicting that mankind can reduce the temperature of the earth 2.8 degrees within a certain period of time? I'm sorry, but..... :sick:
I like clean air, clean water and if they can get solar and wind to function competitively and as reliably as coal, hydro and nuke power, I'm 100% for it. ....not because of the global warming issue, but because it's eternal.
 
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That's why it was renamed from global warming to climate change. ...anything that happens is explained as being human caused. It's a win win.
 
Is there a way that can I use NOAA's process to explain to my bank that I have more money in my checking account what than they show? I'd like larger numbers also.
 
these reports are from government climate scientists

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The earth is flat and therefore its surface area captures more heat . Pretty simple really.:eek:
 

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