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  1. Aug 17, 2019 #461

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    Wonder what the world would be without social media and a crazy press that glorifies violence by talking non stop about it when a "situation" occurs.
    Back in the day, ................nobody knew if something happened and there was no "stage" to glorify and amplify one's self. No stage, no glory, so maybe the crazies just 'offed' themselves instead of taking a dozen people with them. Like it should be.
    ........just rambling thoughts, but I wonder. The instant transfer of thoughts and ideas like we have today is certainly a major negative in respect to violence. Problem is, there just isn't a way to stop it.
    If you weigh the social good of instantaneous flow of thoughts and ideas, it is most likely an overwhelmingly good thing. We are much better off because of it's existence, yet at what price? I'll accept the risk............... there isn't any other choice. Shit happens and you just keep moving on, otherwise it will suck the life out of you.
     
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    I think a huge part of the problem is the glorifying of violence by the media & people thinking fame-- even if its for something negative-- is something to aspire to. We have "reality" shows that are absolute drivel showing some of the worst kinds of people. We've got a show about a family connected to the Armenian mob who are only famous bc of a sex tape-- and kids are being taught to view famous people as role models even when they are awful. There's some teenage girl who was on Dr. Phil for being on drugs & literally being a prostitute. She now does mumble rap "music" & people pay for her "albums" & buy T-shirts of her.

    The media is all about drama & sensationalism & normal good people are considered "boring" & don't get praised. It's like people worshiping "false idols" & forgetting what really matters in life. There is a desire for instant gratification instead of appreciation for things that take time & effort.
     
  3. Aug 28, 2019 #463

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    In a baffling decision by the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, earlier this month, a panel of judges unanimously ruled that Fresno police officers accused of stealing over $225,000 were entitled to “qualified immunity” and can’t be sued. Thanks to this doctrine, police officers, sheriff’s deputies, and other public functionaries are shielded from civil rights lawsuits.

    While exercising a search warrant in 2013, Fresno police raided and seized $50,000 from Micah Jessop and Brittan Ashjian, two businessmen suspected of illegal gambling (neither was ever criminally charged). Worse, the two claimed that police actually grabbed $151,000 in cash and $125,000 in rare coins, and “stole the difference” above what was reported on the inventory sheet. Critically, the $225,000 that was allegedly stolen wasn’t included on the inventory report for seized property or booked into evidence...

    For the Fresno case, since “there was no clearly established law holding that officers violate the Fourth or Fourteenth Amendment when they steal property seized pursuant to a warrant,” the Ninth Circuit briskly concluded that “the city officers are entitled to qualified immunity.”


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksib.../#2d7fa9bb5a85
     
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    Civil asset forfeiture is basically semi-legal robbery. I think they should only be able to keep it if there is a conviction & there needs to be more accountability for what happens to the property. The search process should be recorded on body cams so anything they pick up is visible. This immunity will only encourage more theft & abuse of power.
     
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    You must prove you are innocent. You are assumed guilty and California is the worst state.
     
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    I was accused of stealing two wallets from homeless which they claimed each carried at least $100,000 in their wallets. I was immediately suspended until the camera system in the jail, where the property was removed showed me pulling out one dirty dollar bill, which I booked into evidence.. Just remember, there are two sides to every story.
     
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    So what happened to the other $99,000 you pulled? Damn! Can't even trust a cop. LOL I was accused of taking a gold nugget one time. Told the customer where it was put and never heard no more.
     
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    The fact that he tried means he should go to jail.

    Havasu, I don't view civil asset forfeiture as the same thing as someone claiming a cop took something & kept it. It's when they KNOW something was taken & just refuse to give it back-- but you know that.

    I've seen both sides-- where the cops were falsely accused of taking something, but I've also seen where the cops *did* take something & lied about it. But then, I live in an area with extremely corrupt officials & cops.

    Speaking of police matters, as a cop, do you have insight in to whether or not the cause of an injury would matter in a battery case? I've mentioned my friend was arrested for 2nd degree battery bc she threw her phone at a 14-yr old after being kicked by the 14-yr old. There was no blood on the phone, no blood in the house, no blood on the person who threw the phone (and the brat had jumped up and attacked her after being hit by the phone). They wrestled inside the house & out the door & onto the porch. The 14-yr old got on top of her-- still no blood. She finally pushed her off of her & the 14-yr old fell & that was when she hit her head & started bleeding. But she told the cops the bleeding was from the phone. Would it matter in terms of the charges though? She doesn't have a lawyer yet & we don't know when she has to go to court as she was not given a date.
     
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    Sounds like a solid case of domestic violence. In California, it would be deferred to Family Court for final disposition. In other words....nothing would happen, nobody would get charged, and someone may have to go to domestic violence classes as punishment.
     
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    I thought domestic violence only refers to cases where they are in a relationship or are family. Am I incorrect on that?
    The minor is of no relation but she was being allowed to stay over bc they felt sorry for her (she claimed someone attacked her & had him arrested). She then became increasingly disrespectful & belligerent & started stealing things. She was stealing the adult's shoes when the adult confronted her & told her to take them off & give them back. That was when the minor started making threats of violence. The bondsman said he'd never seen someone charged with 2nd degree battery over something like this before. But the minor did lie about the events & it was her words against the adult's. The minor has a history of false accusations against people but I don't know if the police are aware. She has been arrested on drug charges before though. I do think the minor needs some anger management classes or something though. She's rather volatile.
     
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    Seems a cohabiting relationship, which could constitute domestic violence. More importantly, unless there was a witness, it is a "he said/she said" situation, which would never make it to trial.
     
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    How long does one have to co-habitate for that? She'd only been coming over for about a week & wasn't staying every night. Just hanging out but crashing on the couch a few nights. The girl had also been driving her places & feeding her though. I found out the brat's mother was once sent to jail for locking her own mother in a closet for almost two weeks without food, water, or a toilet. Yikes.
    There was a witness to the scuffle outside but he told the cops he didn't see anything bc he hates the local cops. He told my friend he saw the brat knock the girl down on the porch & then the girl pretty much chucked her off the porch like a frisbee to try to stop the attack. But, bc the brat claimed the phone busted her head open, the cop who made the arrest amped up the charges. We don't know if its bc the girl didn't relate what happened properly (she has mental disability & has a very hard time explaining things coherently-- you have to really struggle to get an accurate picture from her), or if the cop just doesn't like her, or what the deal is.
    I really hope you're right that they will drop the charges. Unfortunately, dingbat made a full confession to the police that she threw her phone at the brat & that the brat deserved it bc she shouldn't have disrespected her & kicked her. (That's pretty much how she was raised-- her adopted mother is rather violent and almost all of the foster kids she raised have ended up in jail for assault & battery or have been in physically abusive relationships).
    I'm hoping that the brat coming by & trying to provoke/antagonize her even though there is a "stay away" order will work out in her favor. Clearly the brat is not afraid of her & wants to rub it in her face. Any ideas how long it would be before she would get some sort of hearing or get a court-appointed attorney (since she can't afford one)?
     
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    It wouldn't hurt to put in a phone call to the detective investigating the incident, or even contact the DA to find out the status on the case. And of course, in America, if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to represent the person charged for the crime.
     
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    Thank's Havasu. I don't know if they are even really investigating. They didn't do the bare minimum police work on it (maybe I expect more than is reasonable though). I saw a picture of the brat's wound last night. Absolutely no-effing way that a slim iPhone did that. For one, it is at the wrong angle, it's far too large, & far too deep. The brat's brother (who got kicked out bc of her & was crashing on my friend's couch last night) was telling me about what he witnessed. Apparently, after the brat refused to give her shoes back & refused to leave, the girl went to the brat's mother at work & asked her to do something. The mother wouldn't leave work, but told her to do what she had to to get the brat out. The girl had the brat's brother go to pick up the brat's shoes from their house so the brat could change into something & give the stolen shoes back to the girl. But the brother forgot his key & had to come back to get his keys. He said he talked to the girl & she went inside to get his keys and then a couple minutes later, he saw his sister being pushed out the door, "tripped over her own two feet" & fell down on the porch with her head landing near the metal column with scrollwork- we think she hit her head on the top of a piece of scrollwork & that caused the gauge. He said she was obviously not bleeding before the fall. When he saw her trip & fall he started laughing bc he thought it was funny & that she deserved it. She put her hand over her head & started crying. He rolled down the window & yelled at her to get the car. She walked over, took her hand off her head & started gushing blood. He asked the girl for something to stop the bleeding so she ran back into the house & brought back a sponge (first thing she could find). He had his sister hold it over her head & took her straight to the hospital. He told me that he went into the house later & saw there were no signs of blood & that he & my friend discussed how there was no way she got cut inside bc there would have been blood all over.
    I don't know if he'd be willing to testify to that to her lawyer or in court though. His family is already mad at him for staying friendly with the girl & my friend.
    Right now we don't even know which DA will be handling the case or when they will be looking at it. Can she request & speak to a public defender & then decide to use another lawyer (that my friend would hire) at a later time if she so chooses? My friend knows a lawyer who has a bunch of arcade games that need fixing & he knows how to fix them so he was thinking of working off any debt he accrued in legal fees.
    This whole situation is just stupid though.
     
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    Sure, PD attorneys can be terminated at any time, but just remember, they are in the courts every day, know the judge and probably golfs with the judge on weekends, and you usually have the better chance of a good outcome with a familiar face. Unless they have a subpoena for a court date, I'd not worry about it.
     
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    That's something I hadn't thought of, Havasu. It's something to consider. I just hope we can find a good attorney that listens to her & cares about the truth & will question things-- like when & how the injury occurred. I'm really hoping that there will be enough to get the DA to just drop the charges altogether. Especially since we just learned that the minor has a history of false statements & reports to the police to get people arrested. She was threatening to accuse multiple adult males of things if they didn't do what she wanted.
     
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    So, some updates: The brat was staying over at my friend's house under the claim she'd been attacked by a local man who had allegedly raped her friend the same night. The neighbor across the street just told me that the other accuser's mother said the daughter admitted she lied about the attack and that he never touched her. She said she & the brat made up a story about him because the brat was mad at him for some reason (she'd been trying to sext him while pretending to be the other friend - or at least that's how I understood it). Not sure what she was mad about. The brat threatened to falsely accuse her brother of sexual assault as well. The man they falsely accused is sitting in prison with extremely high bail right now. The brother showed us exactly where the brat hit her head & demonstrated how the tripped. The girl also showed me how she saw the brat fall forward toward the column with the scrollwork.
    I'm now trying to figure out how to get this info to the DA. From my end it's hearsay so I know I need to get some of the witnesses to come forward. Should I tell them to go to the DA or to talk to the parish police (bc local police won't do anything)? Right now I'm worried about the guy in prison who was wrongly accused & who stands to spend the rest of his life in prison. The alleged victim's mother claimed a doctor said she'd been "messed with" but later recanted to a neighbor- saying it was false along with the accusation. The fact that the mother didn't immediately go tell the police it was false is a problem. She's covering for a lie in a serious crime.
    On the slight upside, I had a bit of Schadenfreude bc the brother told me he saw his sister getting her butt kicked in a fight with another teenage girl. It was the 2nd time that week she'd been in a fight & lost. She likes to pick fights with people & she likes to lie.
    Would the police/DA likely listen to me if I told him what I was told about the false accusations & what the witness said about the altercation?
     
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    Hearsay is not admissible in court. Get the folks who heard it to go to court and speak to the DA.
     
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