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I stand behind my statement that there is no excess deaths because of Covid above and beyond what one may expect to encounter with a bad cold or flu season. The excess deaths we’ve seen were allowed to happen on purpose. Medications that worked were shut down and instead policies and procedures were implement that almost guaranteed your death. If you’re put on a medication that has a 25% survival rate, or a ventilator that is prolly bout the same, did you really die of Covid? Or did you die because of politics.

So yeah, graphs and such don’t mean shit to me because they’ve all been manipulated in one way or another.

We're not very far apart on our understanding of the perverse political RESPONSE to the virus--------meaning the exploitation of the "crisis" by media and partisan rhetoric and policy. I'm not with you on interpretation of the actual data/facts though or those alternative treatments. Calling run-of-the-mill government neglect and incompetence MURDER and attributing malicious intent is pretty much where you lose me.

From the CDC website:
  • Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 610 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 31, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 16,257 preliminary reports of death (0.0027%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.
    Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

I was not inclined to take the vaccine. But on advice of an expert in the field and my responsibilities assisting with Elder Care I took the jab.
I was absolutely opposed to the vaccine mandates, even in health care, law enforcement, education and the military. So I'm sure we agree on that. I still dont wear a seat belt and resent the State of California laws that fine me for that choice. The science on that issue is very easy to understand. You don't need a Doctoral degree. I assume that risk when I drive. When we get to the hard science of the efficacy and safety of the various vaccines I have to bow out there from interpreting the vaccines and rely on trusting experts.


So happens I have an actual SCIENCE expert in my family. Trust is an important factor once you recognize you're way over your head on understanding the hard science.
 

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We're not very far apart on our understanding of the perverse political RESPONSE to the virus--------meaning the exploitation of the "crisis" by media and partisan rhetoric and policy. I'm not with you on interpretation of the actual data/facts though or those alternative treatments. Calling run-of-the-mill government neglect and incompetence MURDER and attributing malicious intent is pretty much where you lose me.

From the CDC website:
  • Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 610 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 31, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 16,257 preliminary reports of death (0.0027%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.
    Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

I was not inclined to take the vaccine. But on advice of an expert in the field and my responsibilities assisting with Elder Care I took the jab.
I was absolutely opposed to the vaccine mandates, even in health care, law enforcement, education and the military. So I'm sure we agree on that. I still dont wear a seat belt and resent the State of California laws that fine me for that choice. The science on that issue is very easy to understand. You don't need a Doctoral degree. I assume that risk when I drive. When we get to the hard science of the efficacy and safety of the various vaccines I have to bow out there from interpreting the vaccines and rely on trusting experts.


So happens I have an actual SCIENCE expert in my family. Trust is an important factor once you recognize you're way over your head on understanding the hard science.

Maybe it is a bit of a stretch to call it murder. It’s not like somebody walked up to you and shot you in the head. I do believe that a lot of people were allowed to die that didn’t have to because, well, you gotta have a significant amount of people die to really pull off this BS. How about if we call it negligent homicide on a scale we’ve never seen before.

You mention trust and then you have something from the CDC website. What if I don’t trust the CDC, the WHO, the pharmaceutical industry, the media, our government… the list goes on. I like to think I’m smart enough to know a nut bag when I see one but after people were shut down and called nut bags for having a different opinion than the main stream narrative, or to even question the main stream narrative, then it comes out later on that they weren’t so far off base, well that tends to make people pay more attention to nut bags and people that otherwise wouldn’t get the time of day.
 

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You mention trust and then you have something from the CDC website. What if I don’t trust the CDC, the WHO, the pharmaceutical industry, the media, our government… the list goes on. I like to think I’m smart enough to know a nut bag when I see one but after people were shut down and called nut bags for having a different opinion than the main stream narrative, or to even question the main stream narrative, then it comes out later on that they weren’t so far off base, well that tends to make people pay more attention to nut bags and people that otherwise wouldn’t get the time of day.
You're not required to trust the interpretations/presentations of the data or the policy decisions coming through your government based on that advice. From what I know I dont believe the hard data, statistics and graphs coming from that sort of site is ever going to be particularly biased. You have to realize how many studies they do, how much data collection they use from other sources and understand virtually all of that is published on such websites. NOW here comes where the biased corporate/partisan interest comes in and CHERRY PICKS particular graphs/statistics and presents that through the WHORES in the media to mold public opinion.

I'm trying to explain that it's not the scientists/statisticians/institutions themselves who pervert the research (science). Your job as a citizen is to both have some crude understanding of the relevant knowledge AND to learn who to trust in presenting that to you in layman's term.


HINT: It's not Fox News or CNBC.
 

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Stop talking like that, you're making too much sense.
Too many people think 100 or 150 years is the appropriate gauge of determining what the current weather should be. It changes, it goes through phases, which may last decades or hundreds of years.
If we are going to warm a few degrees over the next 100 years, we're humans, we're not stupid, we can deal with it because we have plenty of warning time. If the oceans are going to rise one foot in the next 100 years then we have 100 years to plan.
People didn't have this kind of information a thousand years ago or 5,000 years ago.
Environmentally and politically, everything these days is about control.
...... I'm not going to be controlled.
The oceans have been rising a foot every 100 years as long as they have kept records.
 

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I do trust scientists and such, it’s everybody else I question. Power, money, they’ll make you do funny things and I don’t think the handling of Covid is any different. Maybe instead of saving 5 people they’re padding their pockets with money.

All you have to do is to look at the past. Tobacco industry, sugar industry, pharmaceutical industry and the government. Two of those 4 are directly involved with this and look what we’ve got.

 

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Why should I care AT ALL about "security issues" at Twitter?

I thought Twitter was just for random, petty, stupid expressions of gossip, gloating and partisan propaganda.
 

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I do trust scientists and such, it’s everybody else I question. Power, money, they’ll make you do funny things and I don’t think the handling of Covid is any different. Maybe instead of saving 5 people they’re padding their pockets with money.

All you have to do is to look at the past. Tobacco industry, sugar industry, pharmaceutical industry and the government. Two of those 4 are directly involved with this and look what we’ve got.


That's a great video that gets right down to the nitty gritty of the government intervention in the "pandemic". Was there really malice/criminal intent? Or did Trump/Biden partisans just play the hand they were dealt and administer policy in line with their understanding of the issue?

It's a legitimate argument that based on the "science" the lockdowns were out of line with the actual threats of the virus. So that's where I go to looking at graphs and data to see how the various lockdowns affected OUTCOMES. The worst example of incompetence I can think of is when they required nursing homes to admit Covid-19 positive patients. The outcomes of that policy was.............................as close as I could come to using criminal terms like negligent homicide or murder to apply to the bureaucrats. Under our present government and laws though there is zero chance of pinning this egregious mistake down to individuals and punishing them. It's analogous to white collar CORPORATE INSIDER crimes in the financial/insurance/real estate industry. As the industry, through lobbyists writes the laws and owns the prosecutors, legislators and judges there will NEVER be more than a slap on the wrist and token fine. In regards the Covid-19 policy once a National Emergency is declared you're never going to be able to go back and harshly critique those decisions. The most egregious "crimes" are only ever going to be written down by historians as unexpected consequences from well intended EMERGENCY policy decisions.
 

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Border states are getting tired of this BS, the Governor of TX recently sent a bus load to DC. Hope they landed in Obama's front lawn. 😁
Two planes carrying about 50 migrants from Florida arrived unannounced in Martha's Vineyard on Wednesday (September 14), forcing local officials to scramble to take care of them.
A spokesperson for Florida Governor Ron DeSantis confirmed that his office chartered the flights.
"States like Massachusetts, New York, and California will better facilitate the care of these individuals who they have invited into our country by incentivizing illegal immigration through their designation as 'sanctuary states' and support for the Biden administration's open border policies," Taryn Fenske said in a statement.
The Cape Cod Times reported that the migrants walked over two miles from the airport until they were spotted in the parking lot by a receptionist at Martha's Vineyard Community Services. They did not speak English, and several said they had no idea where they were.
"We COVID-tested them all. Everyone was negative. A little girl had a temperature, so we separated her with her family. A lot of them were shellshocked and afraid," Janet Constantino, a therapist and nurse practitioner working at the center, told the paper.
Reverend Vincent G. "Chip" Seadale, rector of St. Andrew's Episcopal Church, offered the church for the migrants to stay on Wednesday night until officials could figure out the next steps.
"Overnight, they can sleep on the pews or in the parish hall on the floor. We are in communication with the governor's office for possible help, but these are people just like me and you, and they need care and attention," he said.
Massachusetts State Senator Julian Cyr praised local officials, telling the New York Times that residents and volunteers from six towns on the island "really moved heaven and earth to essentially set up the response that we would do in the event of a hurricane."


Bahahaha!
 

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I’m all for it. While we’re buyin bus and plane tickets, how about we load up the homeless and send them somewhere where they are more welcome. Prolly the same cities anyway.
Isn't it strange when you send immigrants to sanction cities, they don't want them there? 😁😁😁
 

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Why does the media never, never EVER, report on the midnight flights of immigrants dropped off in cities around the country?
The Biden administration does these at night, so that's just peachy keen.
Heaven forbid that evil Desantis and Abbott do the same thing in broad daylight. 🤬
 

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One side is Perceived as Peachy, another as Evil, it’s what they and we do to keep ourselves occupied, because mostly, life is good for us. ……So let’s make sure we keep it real and only Fight off boredom not each other. Acknowledge how this Two Party System functions inside a dysfunctional judgmental world, because ! ! Look at the end result ! the immigrants ( pawn ♟ pieces to both groups) just won the lottery going to Washington and Massachusetts. The residents may not want them, but they will find a way to eventually need them, it’s what we do, even while we trip over ourselves in the process.

Thanks Founding Fathers ! growing pains hurt, but we still standin !
 

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Those illegal immigrants crossing the border illegally are allowing themselves to be pawns. Stay on your side and do it the correct way, and they wouldn't be pawns. Seems simple enough to me.
But they're under the impression it's ok to come and the border is open. That impression could easily be reversed.
Finish the wall, announce the border is closed. Hire 20% more border patrol agents. Have the military and or national guard assist with patrols or enforcement.
With the word out, in LARGE print, I will guarantee the flow of people will slow drastically.
Remember Kamala in Guatemala, saying "stay, do not come, do not come"
https://youtu.be/bpGitFIzamQ
Do you think she really meant that?
If so why isn't she discouraging people and telling them to stay home?
Why doesn't she repeat the words telling them if they come here, they will be turned back?
 

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In California, illegals are now allowed to be police officers and now vote. They are destroying this country just to garner a few votes. Worst yet, who is to say that the Mexican Cartel is not going to try to infiltrate our police departments to give them an edge and close their eyes to illegal drug shipments.
 

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In California, illegals are now allowed to be police officers and now vote. They are destroying this country just to garner a few votes. Worst yet, who is to say that the Mexican Cartel is not going to try to infiltrate our police departments to give them an edge and close their eyes to illegal drug shipments.
I've listened to a lot of comments and one thing that's taken into consideration is a lot of those immigrants are very religious and conservative people and would be more likely to vote Republican. Now wouldn't that be funny. 😁
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