Nick
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I asked a Detective friend of mine a year ago what i had to do to get a gun in Nj.
He had a big laugh, and thanked me for making him laugh..
He had a big laugh, and thanked me for making him laugh..
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Nick
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Hey, the Lone Ranger and The Rifleman were my childhood heros. Lots of guns and shoot'm stuff back then. I played with my shiny chrome plastic cap guns and holsters. Some even shot plastic bullets.
Have I ever gone crazy and shot anyone? No. So whats the difference of today than yesterday?
There were bad guys in those westerns and cops shows. Some just choose to be the bad guy is all. Can't stop that.
My two sons are all grow'd up and when they were teenagers they played all of the violent shoot'm up video games and they have become great educated citizens.
One thing I do know is that last year round this time Trump and his buddies in congress repealed a bill Obama put through making it harder for crazy people to buy guns. And they play the sheep very well after a shooting like this..
Have I ever gone crazy and shot anyone? No. So whats the difference of today than yesterday?
There were bad guys in those westerns and cops shows. Some just choose to be the bad guy is all. Can't stop that.
My two sons are all grow'd up and when they were teenagers they played all of the violent shoot'm up video games and they have become great educated citizens.
One thing I do know is that last year round this time Trump and his buddies in congress repealed a bill Obama put through making it harder for crazy people to buy guns. And they play the sheep very well after a shooting like this..
All gun shows require background checks, it is a federal law pushed through by the NRA.
NJ, NY and DC have the strictest gun requirements of most any state, but also have the highest crime and murder rates......... are more laws isn't gonna do anything. Looks like it takes an act of God to leally purchase a gun in NJ.
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/private-sales-in-new-jersey/
Ya need to clone a few thousand Charles Bronsons an let em loose in the city.
Nothing's gonna change until the media starts putting shows back on TV like I mentioned earlier. ...........sadly, that ain't gonna happen. I think that the indoctrination a young mind gets from his super hero friends and roll models we all had as kids was powerful stuff.
Estimated 20,000 gun laws on the books. Over 80,000 people have lied on the background check, a felony, less than 1% are ever arrested.
Nick
In Remembrance
They had it on the news where the gun shows weren't doing the checks ..
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News is wrong. Go to a gun show and try to buy one without a BG check, you can't.
Anti-gun people have tried every method under the sun, supposedly to try to reduce shootings. They have uniformly failed. The rate of shootings continues to climb, varying only be location and dated, but not in deadliness. And yet they continue to call for the same things to be tried again and again.
But one method WILL work.
Don't pussyfoot around. Ban all private ownership of guns, period. And enforce it ruthlessly. This will dry up the supply until even the worst criminals can't get a gun any more.
Can anyone see a way this would NOT work in reducing shootings in this country?
The gun-control advocates, of course, throw up their hands in mock horror and insist "We would never ban your guns! What a paranoid idea!" But everything else they try, fails miserably... and their reaction is always, "Well, we just need a little more gun control." There's always the same pattern to their demands... and it leads in only one direction, despite their smooth assurances to the contrary.
There is only one scheme that would actually reduce shootings in this country. Of course, you'd have to repeal the 2nd amendment first. Good luck with that. In fact, you'd probably have to amend the Constitution even further, to specifically give Congress the power to restrict or ban guns, and take that power away from the states once the 2nd is repealed. Let me know how that goes.
Then you'd have to get the legislation through Congress to actually ban everything.
And then comes the enforcement. A huge number of households have guns - millions. Does anyone think that all of them will simply bring their guns in to the nearest police station or collection point, once the police have the power to tell them to? You would need to put together police task forces to go house to house, collecting the guns.
It won't be long, of course, before some gun owner politely declines to give up his guns, Constitutional amendments or not. And the police would then insist. And then, the gun owner's refusal would become less polite. And so would the police's insistence. It's just a matter of time before the guns get used somewhere, instead of relinquished.
And the police certainly won't let THAT slide. The police teams would quickly turn into SWAT teams. And a collection mission to the next house, would consist of the SWAT team setting up outside the house, or maybe blocking off an entire street or block, demanding the residents come out, making all of them lie facedown in the grass, cuffing them, and holding them while the cops go house to house checking for newly-forbidden weapons.
They'll probably have to dig up most back yards too, in case someone put his rifles or pistols in a length of plastic pipe and buried them to avoid police confiscation. This is bound to happen in a few places, at least. And maybe QUITE a few places.
When the SWAT team actions start, how long will it be before neighborhoods that have several gun owners, start getting together and making plans for what to do when the SWAT teams show up on their block?
And how many American citizens, who had been innocent, law-abiding people until the new laws got passed, will be injured or killed? They could number into the thousands. Maybe MANY thousands.
How many times would this be repeated, across a country 3,000 miles wide with 320,000,000 people?
This method, once carried through at every house or apartment in the nation, WOULD significantly reduce the number of shootings in the U.S.
Can you say that about any other "gun control" scheme? No, you cannot... because not one of them has ever worked.
So-called "gun control advocates" are still demanding, however, that the government "do something to reduce these shootings". And they've been doing it long enough to know that none of their schemes have ever worked.
It stands to reason that the officials who keep demanding it anyway, will have one of two results:
1.) Complete failure like they have always had (I doubt they intend that result), or
2.) The only method that WILL work. As described above. Possibly brought on a little at a time, hoping to sneak it in without too many people noticing... but with the ultimate implementation described above.
It's time to stop kidding ourselves. The liberals who want "more gun control" or "just a few reasonable restrictions" today, feign horror and denial when someone says they want to ban all guns. But since nothing else will work, their actions belie their words: They can intend nothing else.
In other words, it's time for them to fish or cut bait. How many more examples of failure do they want, before conceding what normal people already know: That their "usual gun control" methods never work? How long to they expect to be able to fool people with the "just a few more common sense regulations" fib?
The ones that are still insisting on "more gun control" are clearly not serious in their "just a little" assurances. They've been around long enough to know that "just a little more" won't work. These people can only have one outcome in mind: The only one that will work.
When you hear liberals on TV calling for more gun control..... get ready. They may say, "Just a little". But they don't mean it.
But one method WILL work.
Don't pussyfoot around. Ban all private ownership of guns, period. And enforce it ruthlessly. This will dry up the supply until even the worst criminals can't get a gun any more.
Can anyone see a way this would NOT work in reducing shootings in this country?
The gun-control advocates, of course, throw up their hands in mock horror and insist "We would never ban your guns! What a paranoid idea!" But everything else they try, fails miserably... and their reaction is always, "Well, we just need a little more gun control." There's always the same pattern to their demands... and it leads in only one direction, despite their smooth assurances to the contrary.
There is only one scheme that would actually reduce shootings in this country. Of course, you'd have to repeal the 2nd amendment first. Good luck with that. In fact, you'd probably have to amend the Constitution even further, to specifically give Congress the power to restrict or ban guns, and take that power away from the states once the 2nd is repealed. Let me know how that goes.
Then you'd have to get the legislation through Congress to actually ban everything.
And then comes the enforcement. A huge number of households have guns - millions. Does anyone think that all of them will simply bring their guns in to the nearest police station or collection point, once the police have the power to tell them to? You would need to put together police task forces to go house to house, collecting the guns.
It won't be long, of course, before some gun owner politely declines to give up his guns, Constitutional amendments or not. And the police would then insist. And then, the gun owner's refusal would become less polite. And so would the police's insistence. It's just a matter of time before the guns get used somewhere, instead of relinquished.
And the police certainly won't let THAT slide. The police teams would quickly turn into SWAT teams. And a collection mission to the next house, would consist of the SWAT team setting up outside the house, or maybe blocking off an entire street or block, demanding the residents come out, making all of them lie facedown in the grass, cuffing them, and holding them while the cops go house to house checking for newly-forbidden weapons.
They'll probably have to dig up most back yards too, in case someone put his rifles or pistols in a length of plastic pipe and buried them to avoid police confiscation. This is bound to happen in a few places, at least. And maybe QUITE a few places.
When the SWAT team actions start, how long will it be before neighborhoods that have several gun owners, start getting together and making plans for what to do when the SWAT teams show up on their block?
And how many American citizens, who had been innocent, law-abiding people until the new laws got passed, will be injured or killed? They could number into the thousands. Maybe MANY thousands.
How many times would this be repeated, across a country 3,000 miles wide with 320,000,000 people?
This method, once carried through at every house or apartment in the nation, WOULD significantly reduce the number of shootings in the U.S.
Can you say that about any other "gun control" scheme? No, you cannot... because not one of them has ever worked.
So-called "gun control advocates" are still demanding, however, that the government "do something to reduce these shootings". And they've been doing it long enough to know that none of their schemes have ever worked.
It stands to reason that the officials who keep demanding it anyway, will have one of two results:
1.) Complete failure like they have always had (I doubt they intend that result), or
2.) The only method that WILL work. As described above. Possibly brought on a little at a time, hoping to sneak it in without too many people noticing... but with the ultimate implementation described above.
It's time to stop kidding ourselves. The liberals who want "more gun control" or "just a few reasonable restrictions" today, feign horror and denial when someone says they want to ban all guns. But since nothing else will work, their actions belie their words: They can intend nothing else.
In other words, it's time for them to fish or cut bait. How many more examples of failure do they want, before conceding what normal people already know: That their "usual gun control" methods never work? How long to they expect to be able to fool people with the "just a few more common sense regulations" fib?
The ones that are still insisting on "more gun control" are clearly not serious in their "just a little" assurances. They've been around long enough to know that "just a little more" won't work. These people can only have one outcome in mind: The only one that will work.
When you hear liberals on TV calling for more gun control..... get ready. They may say, "Just a little". But they don't mean it.
Can anyone see a way this would NOT work in reducing shootings in this country? quoted by floorist.
Yes I can see why it wouldn't work. We would be taken over in a heartbeat from an enemy country. In WWII the Japanese stated why they didn't attack the states proper is there were to many hunters with guns.
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Daris
Yes I can see why it wouldn't work. We would be taken over in a heartbeat from an enemy country. In WWII the Japanese stated why they didn't attack the states proper is there were to many hunters with guns.
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Daris
You can buy without a background check if buying from a private citizen. If you buy from a dealer then yes a BG check is in order.
U can go online and buy from any number of private citizens locally all day if you know where to look. No BG check.
And now millions more guns and trillions of stocked ammo than those days.
The civilian population is more heavily armed than the military. Or at least the national guard.
Never saw a gun show where you could sell at the show without running BG checks. And yes guns are sold daily on Facebook and Craigslist in spite of the ban. You can also buy them at yard sales.
Ask Highup what happened in Oregon when they banned private gun sales. Police said there was no way to enforce it.
I couldn't tell ya for sure Rusty.
I think to legally purchase a gun from another individual, neighbor, friend or whatever, the transfer has to be done at a gun shop after a background check.
..... but since there's no record of you owning the gun to start with, you don't really have date to prove when you sold it, or a record of who you sold it to or bought it from. Just say you bought the gun in 2004 or 2014 or whenever before the new requirements were set into law and who's to prove otherwise?
...unless you paid by check (and marked "Gun" on the check ........and they want to dig through 3 years of your bank statements after getting a court order to do so. ...so yes, pretty much unenforceable.
Here's a fun one.
http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2015/08/oregon_gun_background_checks_w.html
Even law enforcement thinks it's a waste of their time.
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That was on our TV news here Nick
I wish dialup had Utubeability.
It should have been on your TV if the clip got down here
There was a similar one on tonite as well
