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I wonder how gun people would feel if one of their children were shot at a school?
Do not forget we do not have guns as Americans have and I do not understand the gun lobbyists That is why I ask
How long has NZ been gun free?
People can only shoot guns at a range?
 
I wonder how gun people would feel if one of their children were shot at a school?
Do not forget we do not have guns as Americans have and I do not understand the gun lobbyists That is why I ask
They would be mad at the shooter....... Gun owners know that guns are unable to plan and carry out attacks.
So unbelievable to me that with all the talk, the kids and the media ....that know one is mad at the shooter. :confused:
 
I read tonight that the school had a sheriff deputy assigned to that school and he was there and stayed outside the school the entire time........ I guess he was waiting until the noise stopped so it would be safe to go in. :rolleyes:
I'm betting even tho his job included this very dangerous possibility, he knew that when he signed up for it............ that's what police do, right? He resigned and retired, but I bet he's not sleeping well. If he had entered the school, he might not have come back out alive, but then??????? ...well, maybe he might have caught the kid off guard and save a lot of lives.
Good reason for locking doors and visually screening students before or as they enter.
 
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I read tonight that the school had a sheriff deputy assigned to that school and he was there and stayed outside the school the entire time........ I guess he was waiting until the noise stopped so it would be safe to go in. :rolleyes:
I'm betting even tho his job included this very dangerous possibility, he knew that when he signed up for it............ that's what police do, right? He resigned and retired, but I bet he's not sleeping well. If he had entered the school, he might not have come back out alive, but then??????? ...well, maybe he might have caught the kid off guard and save a lot of lives.
Good reason for locking doors and visually screening students before or as they enter.

You're not sending me in with a 6 shooter to face a gun that fires 100 rounds a minute.. That is taking a knife to a gun fight ..

Now they want to arm teachers ? Have to protect the NRA first ..:mad:
 
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Jon, guns have been very regulated in NZ for a long long time, so it's understandable that you don't understand why some countries allow more lax gun ownership and gun use laws.
We grew up with guns around. Almost every house has em......... except Democrats as one of the charts below shows. :D

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

I don't know the 'lay of the land' in NZ as far as property size, distance from home to home, how many percent of the people live in the city and how many percent live in rural areas, spread out like say ranches or farms or people who simply live away from populated areas.
Where I live, it's small cities, 17 to 27 miles apart up and down the entire coast with forested areas in between. A lot of people live outside the city boundaries so they don't necessarily have a neighbor's house 25 or 50 feet away. So we aren't tightly packed together. This describes a huge part of the US population. We grew up being able to go out in the back yard and 'plink' with a .22 as target practice like shooting the flowers off of distant weeds, or knock a small cone off out of a tree. It's a lot of fun testing your skill level. From there it was pigeon hunting, or duck hunting, deer hunting. It was as common as apple pie......... just normal to us.
City folk..... people who have lived in the cities most of their lives certainly have different experiences and viewpoints, but for smaller communities and rural communities, gun ownership is often a right of passage. A single shot bolt action rifle has been passed from relative to relative as members of our family had children that became of "teaching age"......7 or 8 years of age. I'm talking an age to instill gun safety and under adult supervision. You don't give a 6 year old a gun to play with at age 7 unless you're Rusty. :D
We don't have a gun problem, we have a social problem with too many people having no value for human life, respect for other peoples property. Drugs are a problem, single parent households are a problem and a lot of others.
As a kid, TV programs drummed into our minds, respecting parents, looking up to TV idols like super-heros, TV westerns and such. In TV sitcoms of old, kids always addressed or replied to their father or a policeman saying things such as "yes, sir"
...little kids today grow up watching TV with total disrespect of their elders and of police. I think that's a big deal and hard or impossible to correct once a kid gets past a certain age. I'll blame 90% of our problems on the media...... they don't teach kids "the good stuff" anymore.
 
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You're not sending me in with a 6 shooter to face a gun that fires 100 rounds a minute.. That is taking a knife to a gun fight ..

Now they want to arm teachers ? Have to protect the NRA first ..:mad:

AR 15 won't fire 100 rounds a minute. One shot per trigger pull.
 
Where are the metal detectors at the doors? One with a cop with gun out standing behind it. :army:
You can't even get into ER here without going through one. Everytime the wife went into ER they always caught me with my little pocket knife with the point broken off. Sends me back to the car to get rid of it.

:camping:

Daris
 
Where are the metal detectors at the doors? One with a cop with gun out standing behind it. :army:
You can't even get into ER here without going through one. Everytime the wife went into ER they always caught me with my little pocket knife with the point broken off. Sends me back to the car to get rid of it.

:camping:

Daris

On some of the forums that have been discussing the shooting, most on the left are completely against adding any security to the schools. They insist that if AR 15s are banned, shootings will stop. They won't accept the fact that many other guns would produce a worse result. An AR shoots a small fairly weak round. If the shooter would have used a common deer rifle, none of the wounded would have had much of a chance.
 
Where are the metal detectors at the doors? One with a cop with gun out standing behind it. :army:
You can't even get into ER here without going through one. Everytime the wife went into ER they always caught me with my little pocket knife with the point broken off. Sends me back to the car to get rid of it.

:camping:

Daris
You're a bad man Daris. :D
Sorry Nick, I couldn't resist. ;)
 
I liked the suggestions of boosting security-- bulletproof doors/glass and some protocols to protect the students if a shooter entered. I disagreed with arming the teachers as the main means though, for numerous reasons.
1. We already have problems with cops not knowing when and when not to shoot and many teachers don't want that burden/responsibility.
2. Not all teachers should be around children much less have guns and be around them.
3. What if the kids manage to get the gun away from the teachers?
4. Not all mass shooters are going in the the expectation of coming out alive. Some are on suicide missions and having armed teachers would not deter them-- in some cases, it might make it more enticing because they want to be taken out.
That said, if a teacher is former law enforcement/military and they have been trained to use a gun and how to respond to emergency situations, I don't think they should be barred from having guns at schools-- maybe in a carry conceal situation though. But, I don't think that should be the first line of defense.
 
And as has been pointed out before, if you make the AR 15 illegal, the shooters will find another favorite weapon. Then you make that one illegal, they will find another and so on. You have to get to the root of the problem and that is not a gun. (According to the FBI, AR type rifles are used in less than 2% of gun crimes)
 

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