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[highup]

Jan 6th hearing.....
...the real one.
The entire thing is worth watching. The capitol police chief tells his frustration and how information was handed out to everyone but him.
At least watch 51:00 to 53:45. His frustration was evident. He was told after requesting the national guard, that nobody wanted him to use them..... He made requests on January 3rd to have them available.
Even as rioting occurred and he was requesting help, the national guard was within eyesight, the New Jersey Police arrived long, long, before the guard was allowed to help.
If this wasn't an inside job to set up Trump, I'm Donald Duck.
....oink
I dare you to listen to at least some of this.
You're not seeing this on the fake news.

Reply take two :
why not, let’s go through the tunnel of conflict together by speaking candidly
( thank you minister on the radio for that term, sorry I forgot your name )

Did the Dems. Purposely put Capital Police in danger by disallowing the National Guard to assist with security, because they wanted the Previous President to leave the office in a more disgraced manner than he had already provided for himself ? Is that the inside job you are referring to ? Because if it is, then I’ll need to reply about that, but I’ll wait for an answer first THX !

That's my take. Trump offered thousands of national guard, only to have them say no.
........knowing how volatile this day was going to be........ they chose not to be prepared.
Did you watch the entire video?

 

[Csason]

I've read about people who.............believe the sorts of things you're asserting here. I never actually met one in real life. I'm aware of both the criminal charges that have been filed in court and the credible allegations against the President's son.

I never heard anything from credible sources about accusations of Hunter with underage girls. I really wonder what kind of websites/sources of information you rely upon. If you really want to have this conversation I'm ONLY interested if you can cite credible sources that I can reference and verify. Otherwise you're just wasting your breath and everyone's time who bothers to read this.

Have you looked at the effin images on the laptop ? You are hilarious . You defend pedophiles and haven’t even glanced at the evidence. If it was Eric Trump you’d be all over it

 

[Csason]

The truth can be manipulated and Searching for it is like finding a white elephant in the grassy knoll. The blame falls onto the human condition of the seven deadly sins by everyone

That’s horse$hit

The truth is the truth

If your theory is true that the truth is relative and it doesn’t matter we’re all in this together let’s hear that again when one of the commie prosecutors gets a “truth” conviction in Donald Trumps court cases !

You’ll be ALLL about the “truth” then

 

[Csason]

Hunter refers to his dad as pedo Joe what’s up with that ? If you don’t know who Garret Zeiglar is in regards to the multiple laptops belonging to Hunter Biden then you can’t really speak to this issue.
Hunter has been to treatment 11 times

 

[Csason]

Hunter refers to his dad as pedo Joe what’s up with that ? If you don’t know who Garret Zeiglar is in regards to the multiple laptops belonging to Hunter Biden then you can’t really speak to this issue.
Hunter has been to treatment 11 times

I've read about people who.............believe the sorts of things you're asserting here. I never actually met one in real life. I'm aware of both the criminal charges that have been filed in court and the credible allegations against the President's son.

I never heard anything from credible sources about accusations of Hunter with underage girls. I really wonder what kind of websites/sources of information you rely upon. If you really want to have this conversation I'm ONLY interested if you can cite credible sources that I can reference and verify. Otherwise you're just wasting your breath and everyone's time who bothers to read this.

credible to you is CNN ? Lol

 

[MSLI]

Did you watch the entire video?

I did not, but I’ll try, thanks for posting it.

This truth is true
We are in the middle of dueling narratives and finger pointing that clouds the TRUTH over. Cutting through this narrative is next to impossible SO What could we do instead ?

Lets Start embracing ambiguity and that flexibility could be the start in us to be able to give the opposing viewpoint the power of UNDERSTANDING and this understanding awareness opens the eyes, that none of us , individually or organizations ever absolutely get it 100 % right all of the
time.

 

[MSLI]

credible to you is CNN ? Lol

All the news channels will spin it because they are a reflection of humanity and the inherent conditions we possess.

My condition leans towards ‘ let’s play nice in the sand box ‘ or what could be considered as complacency.

Csason, is trying to throw people out of the sandbox or possible dissatisfaction.

Humanity is conflictive ! Lets learn techniques that soften the edges and could ambiguity, in politics be one.

 

[MSLI]

prosecutors gets a “truth” conviction in Donald Trumps court cases !

A truth conviction doesn’t exist in a world of ambiguity. That’s why we have such a strict Judicial branch working towards the truth, BUT NEVER THE REAL TRUTH. We are tooooo complicated to factually find it all the time.

 

[Floorist]

Reply take two :
why not, let’s go through the tunnel of conflict together by speaking candidly
( thank you minister on the radio for that term, sorry I forgot your name )

Did the Dems. Purposely put Capital Police in danger by disallowing the National Guard to assist with security, because they wanted the Previous President to leave the office in a more disgraced manner than he had already provided for himself ? Is that the inside job you are referring to ? Because if it is, then I’ll need to reply about that, but I’ll wait for an answer first THX !

There have been several; videos showing the capitol police unlocking doors on Jan 6 and letting people in. Some of them even said that Pelosi ordered them to do it. The guy in the period costume, Isaac Yoder, is from here. He said the cops backed away and let them in. I know him personally. He is a young family man with a locksmith business. That period costume is his every day wear. He was wearing that even when he made some keys for me.

 

[Csason]

There have been several; videos showing the capitol police unlocking doors on Jan 6 and letting people in. Some of them even said that Pelosi ordered them to do it. The guy in the period costume, Isaac Yoder, is from here. He said the cops backed away and let them in. I know him personally. He is a young family man with a locksmith business. That period costume is his every day wear. He was wearing that even when he made some keys for me.

Guess what ?
EVERYONE knows the military and the government and the local police have been using phone tracking since it first became available . That’s just a plain fact.
Any official with the proper credentials and active clearance can pin point an individual based on their phone .
The CCP just banned all iPhone products from guvamint usage the other day. (There are several versions of why this happened)

Everyone knows they were able to geo locate bad actors during the ballot stuffing fiasco during the 2020 (and probably others) election and the movie 2000 mules goes over that.

What I think would be an astonishing revelation would be to disclose ALL of the phone traffic from 3jan21 to 8jan21 from Pelosi, Pence, Schumer, et al including Trump just find out there was only two steps from Pelosi to antifa and other bad actors (FBI CIA cap police ) on *Jan 6*

Wouldn’t the world be shocked to know it was a huge Ray Epps / FBI/CIA setup

But the left feigns injury and shock same scum that pretended JFK was killed by Oswald .
Same scum that blew off an American ambassador being dragged through the streets with a stick crammed in his butt.
Same scum that blew off dead SEAL team protect details like they never counted
Scum

 

[Floorist]

I guarantee you that some of them there were only doing what they thought was legal. Protesting an unfair election, whether it was or not. In the past they would have had that right.
Hunter's lawyers filing that the form 4473 is unconstitutional may end up being good for all legal gun owners. It should be unconstitutional.

 

[Floorist]

Guess what ?
EVERYONE knows the military and the government and the local police have been using phone tracking since it first became available . That’s just a plain fact.
Any official with the proper credentials and active clearance can pin point an individual based on their phone .
The CCP just banned all iPhone products from guvamint usage the other day. (There are several versions of why this happened)

Everyone knows they were able to geo locate bad actors during the ballot stuffing fiasco during the 2020 (and probably others) election and the movie 2000 mules goes over that.

What I think would be an astonishing revelation would be to disclose ALL of the phone traffic from 3jan21 to 8jan21 from Pelosi, Pence, Schumer, et al including Trump just find out there was only two steps from Pelosi to antifa and other bad actors (FBI CIA cap police ) on *Jan 6*

Wouldn’t the world be shocked to know it was a huge Ray Epps / FBI/CIA setup

But the left feigns injury and shock same scum that pretended JFK was killed by Oswald .
Same scum that blew off an American ambassador being dragged through the streets with a stick crammed in his butt.
Same scum that blew off dead SEAL team protect details like they never counted
Scum

The government lied on a daily basis when I was in Vietnam. They inflated the number of the dead enemy hoping to quell protests here. And if you take the number of Americans killed and divide by the number reported weekly, they don't add up. Don't forget, reporters were blocked from taking pictures of caskets coming back from Afghanistan. Ike tried to warn us and yet he lied too. Kennedy was blamed for Vietnam and yet IKE sent in the first armed troops in 1959. And then Kennedy but especially Johnson escalated it and just like the French before us, we lost. Just like Afghanistan, the Russians were soundly beaten there and we went in anyway, only to also lose.
Most of this is hidden by the media.

 

[MSLI]

There have been several; videos showing the capitol police unlocking doors on Jan 6 and letting people in. Some of them even said that Pelosi ordered them to do it. The guy in the period costume, Isaac Yoder, is from here. He said the cops backed away and let them in. I know him personally. He is a young family man with a locksmith business. That period costume is his every day wear. He was wearing that even when he made some keys for me.

That’s a great point Rusty, and I have no doubt most of the protesters if not all are good people, but then the questions is why did they let them in. Was it a de-escalation tactic for everyones safety or was it an inside Job, utilizing the resources in front of them ( the overly passionate patriots ) for political gain ? Or a combination of both, Or ! Something all together different.

We are complicated beings with complex systems and structures, that are susceptible to manipulation, making what seems to be, may not be the truth. F the truth, understand the manipulation on BOTH SIDES and apply common sense awareness for the sanity.

 

[Floorist]

That’s a great point Rusty, and I have no doubt most of the protesters if not all are good people, but then the questions is why did they let them in. Was it a de-escalation tactic for everyones safety or was it an inside Job, utilizing the resources in front of them ( the overly passionate patriots ) for political gain ? Or a combination of both, Or ! Something all together different.

We are complicated beings with complex systems and structures, that are susceptible to manipulation, making what seems to be, may not be the truth. F the truth, understand the manipulation on BOTH SIDES and apply common sense awareness for the sanity.

I think that many of them considered protesting the results of an election as a right. It should be.

 

[DarisMulkin]

we lost.

I hate politics and political dicussion, but why do you think we lost beside North Vietnam had Hanoi Jane on their side? My opinion is in Nam we weren't acustom to their style of gorilla warfare, and in Afganistan you couldn't tell who the enemy was as they all dressed the same and again another type of warfare. AMERICA DOING WHAT AMERICA DOES IS HELP THE UNDERDOG. Just my opinion

 

[MSLI]

I think that many of them considered protesting the results of an election as a right.

Absolutely , (scratch that ) most certainly ( Did I get under it ? ) that’s a process unique to Democracies that minimize dis-honesty and corruption in society to a degree that helps maintain hope. However stirring up the crowd like it’s a Friday night football game, with absolute ideals, is dangerous , and he knew better, but couldn’t help himself and his philosophy of ‘ Make it just a little bit crazy ‘ to maintain being in the spotlight. But I could be wrong because the real truth can never be found in human brains.

Side note: I’m listening to WDVR and there playing old fashioned county They just played ‘ Wine Woman and Song ‘ and all is right with the world but maybe not with your woman

 

[Floorist]

I hate politics and political dicussion, but why do you think we lost beside North Vietnam had Hanoi Jane on their side? My opinion is in Nam we weren't acustom to their style of gorilla warfare, and in Afganistan you couldn't tell who the enemy was as they all dressed the same and again another type of warfare. AMERICA DOING WHAT AMERICA DOES IS HELP THE UNDERDOG. Just my opinion

And in both places, things ended up about the same as they would have without us. In Vietnam, we followed in another army that had been soundly beaten and the same in Afghanistan. And in both countries the government lied to try to keep the public behind them. The US can't always be the world police. Our country cannot afford it. Look at the Ukraine. We are propping up a corrupt government because of who attacked them. Interviews with some of the people in the Ukraine when Russia invaded were not positive about Zelensky. The people interviewed said that life under him was miserable. Hunter Biden had been getting $750,000 a year as an advisor to a gas company in the Ukraine. And had no expertise in it.

 

[highup]

Guess what ?
EVERYONE knows the military and the government and the local police have been using phone tracking since it first became available . That’s just a plain fact.
Any official with the proper credentials and active clearance can pin point an individual based on their phone .
The CCP just banned all iPhone products from guvamint usage the other day. (There are several versions of why this happened)

Everyone knows they were able to geo locate bad actors during the ballot stuffing fiasco during the 2020 (and probably others) election and the movie 2000 mules goes over that.

What I think would be an astonishing revelation would be to disclose ALL of the phone traffic from 3jan21 to 8jan21 from Pelosi, Pence, Schumer, et al including Trump just find out there was only two steps from Pelosi to antifa and other bad actors (FBI CIA cap police ) on *Jan 6*

Wouldn’t the world be shocked to know it was a huge Ray Epps / FBI/CIA setup

But the left feigns injury and shock same scum that pretended JFK was killed by Oswald .
Same scum that blew off an American ambassador being dragged through the streets with a stick crammed in his butt.
Same scum that blew off dead SEAL team protect details like they never counted
Scum

Ray Epps is faced with a misdemeanor charge.
Nothing suspicious there.
Wasn't he near the top of the FBi most wanted January 6th list, then soon after his name totally vanished from it?
...........until it was brought up loudly enough by republicans that the DOJ was literally forced to acknowledge his roll, and oly then bring charges against him that they obviously didn't want to.
......why? ...why did his video taped enticements become invisible. He encouraged and literally instructed people to go into the capitol. It's on tape.... I think 3 different types.

...and 3 years later, Merik Garland has no clue if FBI agents or informants we're on Capitol grounds that day.
If Trump becomes president again, there needs to be severe house cleaning and redirecting the role of the FBI, DOJ, CIA into some form that people can trust.

 

[Incognito]

Have you looked at the effin images on the laptop ? You are hilarious . You defend pedophiles and haven’t even glanced at the evidence. If it was Eric Trump you’d be all over it

I dont think you have the slightest idea what it means to cite credible sources. CNN is not credible.

Hunter refers to his dad as pedo Joe what’s up with that ? If you don’t know who Garret Zeiglar is in regards to the multiple laptops belonging to Hunter Biden then you can’t really speak to this issue.
Hunter has been to treatment 11 times

credible to you is CNN ? Lol

I do not "defend pedophiles." Not all evidence can be admitted into a court of law:
exclusionary rule
I said nothing whatsoever about CNN and no, I've not looked at Hunter Biden's laptop porn. Also, I never heard of Garret Zeiglar. Everywhere you look you see PARTISAN enemies.........then you sling malicious personal insults. You are dead to me. Please dont waste my time responding.

 

[highup]

Hunter Biden had been getting $750,000 a year as an advisor to a gas company in the Ukraine. And had no expertise in it.

I'd just like to hear what his position was. What advice was worth that much money. Did it have anything at all to do with energy?
.....or was it just legal advice requiring no knowledge of energy?
Why was Joe, so concerned about this particular energy company? .....and WHY would it have ANY bearing whatsoever on that billion dollar gift from the US?
If his son was doing business with any other country in Ukraine, I wouldn't be so concerned.
The former president of Ukraine had no idea that the Burisma investigator was corrupt..... so how do Joe know and he didn't?
Seems like every business and politician in Ukraine is corrupt to some degree.
Why did Joe single out this one prosecutor and literally threaten to withhold the money.
It just has stink all over it.